Podcast Intro: Are you ready to change your habits, sculpt your destiny, and light up your path to greatness? Welcome to the epicenter of transformation. This is Mick Unplugged. We’ll help you identify your because so you can create a routine that’s not just productive, but powerful. You’ll embrace the art of evolution, adapt strategies to stay ahead of the game, and take a step toward the extraordinary.

So let’s unleash your potential. Now here’s Nick.

Mick Hunt: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting podcast today. We’re gonna explore the stories of those who redefine the impossible, and we are joined with a force of nature in film and the impossible, and we are joined with a force of nature in film and television, a master of action and an advocate for change. She’s taken leaps in a lot of your favorite action movies, and she’s a champion for safety and inclusivity on the set. Let’s welcome the unstoppable, the incomparable SAG award winning and intimacy coordinator, miss Jazzy Ellis. Jazzy, welcome to the podcast.

How are you?

Jazzy Ellis: Thank you. Wow. That was such a great intro. I feel really good about myself. How about that?

Mick Hunt: As you should. You know, Jazzy, your story is amazing. You know, I’ve gotten to know you over the last few months, and it’s just amazing, like, watching and hearing about your journey. I’d love for you to tell people because at on the make unplugged podcast, we we like to go deeper than the superficial why. Right?

Like, everyone kinda knows their why, but we’re really pushed by that because by that reason. And in your bio, you talk about stories of triumph over adversity to inspire others. What’s your personal because that fuels you in your drive?

Jazzy Ellis: There’s a few of them. The one that’s kind of through line is listening to myself, figuring out what it is that my calling is bringing me to and then going forward. So that’s 2 things. It could be, this feels really good. I want more of this.

Or it could be, this feels really bad. I wanna make sure this doesn’t happen for myself or for other people. And so in terms of my career as a stunt performer, as an intimacy coordinator, that for me is safety first. Like, this feels really good, really safe. How can I make sure that I can have the safety for myself and that safety for everyone that I work with as well?

Mick Hunt: I love it. I love it. And I know people are sitting there hearing this, and they have no idea what an intimacy coordinator does on set. Right? Can you walk people through what it is that you do?

Obviously, I know, but then why that is so valuable on the set.

Jazzy Ellis: So an intimacy coordinator, they’re the folks who keep the actors safe for their intimate scenes on on film and TV. So when it comes to simulated sex scenes or kissing or intimate touching or even, like, vulnerable scenes that may not include anything sexual, but they may need support in terms of mental health based on the topic of the content that’s being recorded that day. The intimacy coordinator is there to keep the actor safe, to be the liaison between the production and the actors, and to help with the choreography of the moment. It’s important to have an intimacy on set for these really vulnerable moments because we’re coming out of the Me Too movement where an actor’s training in Yes was taken advantage of. And with the use of an intimacy coordinator, we’re there to make sure that your boundaries stay your boundaries.

Your boundaries are upheld, and we’re there to make sure that the directors or anyone who has power on that film set doesn’t have that power over you. You maintain your bodily autonomy.

Mick Hunt: That’s awesome and amazing. And, you know, you’re a certified, mental health provider, first aid provider. Right? Like, walk us through that because I’m all about mental health, and and, you know, I do a lot of speaking around mental health. Have you seen that change?

Because, you know, it went from something where you were vulnerable if you talked about mental health. Right? So now people should be proud, and people should take moments of their life and their day to focus on their mental health.

Jazzy Ellis: Exactly. So I am certified in mental health first aid. This certification helps me to be the 1st person on the scene for any kind of mental health crisis. And this can be a stranger when I’m walking down the street, or this could be when I’m on set, and I notice that one of the performers is going through, crisis in the moment as they’re shooting the scene. And the importance of this is just that you have people who can guide you to the place that will help you in your mental health journey.

Many of us aren’t trained in crises, and we aren’t trained to see what exactly a crisis is. And we’re the first people on the scene to make sure that you’re getting exactly the care that you need.

Mick Hunt: Awesome. And, you know, you mentioned this earlier, but you’re in an industry where safety and equity have been a a long standing concern. Right? And you work really hard to make those practices go away, or at least you do your part to help alleviate those practices. Was there a pivotal moment or a challenge that you said, this is what I need to do?

Not that I wanna do, but I need to do this.

Jazzy Ellis: In terms of intimacy coordinating, there were a few moments, and this was before the position existed as an coordinator. I was in a few intimate scenes myself, and my boundaries were pushed. And it it it’s not like I was sexually assaulted on set, but I was pushed beyond what I had originally planned to do that day. And I left feeling that I was taken advantage of. And in my journey to become an intimacy coordinator, my goal is that that never happens for any other performer.

Mick Hunt: That’s amazing. And and I applaud you and salute you for that because I’m not an actor. I’m not in that industry, but we all have heard horror stories. Right? Like, we all have heard those stories.

So I applaud you for being bold, being bold in that. So salute to to Jazzy for that. So let’s talk about before you were doing this stunt work. For those that don’t know, Jazzy was my public school teacher and a researcher in the Amazon jungle. What was that like?

Like, why the Amazon? And what were some of the cool things that you did out there?

Jazzy Ellis: My journey in the Amazon was another pivotal moment in my life. I was, at the time, a student at Princeton University. And to graduate from Princeton, we have to write a senior thesis. Most of the students who graduate from Princeton have written their thesis based on library books. I couldn’t see myself being stuck in Firestone Library.

And they gave us each our own room in the library, but it was about 4 feet by 6 feet, and it was completely dark. Like, no windows, just the lights that went on and on, like the motion detector lights. I just kept myself in that room for an entire year, and I asked my professors, what are my other options? And they said, well, you can do whatever you want. Just make a proposal, and we’ll see what can happen.

And so my proposal included going and living in the Amazon and learning indigenous indigenous healing practices from shamans. And I sent my proposal to the department. They said, well, Jazz, your research looks really anthropological, and we don’t have professors in this department to help you. But let us think about it, and we’ll get right back to you. They hired a completely new professor for our department to be my adviser, and they funded my research.

So I went and lived in the middle of the Amazon. Like, I I hunted and fished for my own food for 3 months. I had nothing but my backpack and what could fit in it. It was an amazing experience, and it changed the trajectory of my life because I learned I have a thirst for adventure, and it made me more courageous in my career journey.

Mick Hunt: So let’s transition to that. Right? That thirst for adventure. What made you go into stunt performance?

Jazzy Ellis: So upon graduating from college, I I graduated during the recession. I couldn’t find work that really fed my soul, but I knew that I wanted to help people. And in my journey of helping people, I became a public school teacher. So I taught special education in math, but I was working a 120 hours a week, and I burnt out real fast. So I asked my school that I worked at, can I just have a few hours to myself, maybe 2 hours where I can just leave school and reset, come back, be ready to work?

And they said yes. So I took those 2 hours, and I used it for martial arts training. And when I was there right? Right. When When I was there in the martial arts classes, there were actually stunt performers there, and they told me that there were no black female stunt performers in Louisiana, and they could treat me to be that.

And so I took them up on that offer, and 3 months later, I was a full time stuntwoman.

Mick Hunt: That’s insane. That’s awesome. So, you know, I purposely haven’t told the listeners yet. Why don’t you give us some of the some of the movies that you’ve been in from a stunt perspective?

Jazzy Ellis: Sure. I’ve been in Avengers, Infinity War, and Endgame, Godzilla, King of the Monsters, Walking Dead, Lovecraft Country, The Suicide Squad, lots of fun shows.

Mick Hunt: So what goes into this? I know you’re very adventurous. Right? I’m not gonna say you’re crazy, but you’re adventurous. Right?

Like, walk me through how do you prep yourself knowing that you’re the stunt double. Right? You’re the stunt performer. How do you prepare for that mentally each day?

Jazzy Ellis: Well, I have yoga training, so that keeps me centered, grounded, and knowing who I am and what I’m capable of every day with meditations and the different poses and the different breath work practices that I do, that reminds me of who I am. And now knowing who I am, that shows, okay. Can I do this stunt or not? All of honesty that you go into the job with is the level of safety that you’re going into as well. So going into a stunt job, I’m not scared.

I’m excited because I know that these are skills that I practiced. And I know as long as I check over the rig that they’re putting me through, because there’s stunt riggers who are there who are putting the wires in such a way that I become a puppet. So as long as I check over their work and I know my own abilities, the work’s gonna be done really great that day.

Mick Hunt: That’s awesome. So what are some things that that we don’t see when we watch a movie that you actually go through? What are some things that the camera plays tricks on on the average person’s eyes?

Jazzy Ellis: So we have something that I do a lot called the Texas cowboy switch or sometimes called the Texas switch or the cowboy switch. And it’s when the camera stays running, but the actor does their work first. And then off camera switches with the stunt performer, and then the stunt performer goes in, does the action, and then they switch again. You would never see that. You never see the stunt performer’s face, but it’s the stunt performer doing the action even though it looks like the actor never stopped.

So that’s a really cool thing that

Mick Hunt: we do.

Jazzy Ellis: And Right. I’ve done it in terms of stunt driving, and I’ve done it in terms of stunt fighting.

Mick Hunt: Oh, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. So what advice would Jazzy have for aspiring stunt performers?

Jazzy Ellis: Never stop training. Even if you are already working, find a new skill to learn, find old skills to continue training, and just never stop training.

Mick Hunt: Okay. K. That’s good stuff. That’s good stuff. What’s the craziest stunt you’ve had to pull off?

Jazzy Ellis: Crazy for me or crazy for other people?

Mick Hunt: I’m gonna say crazy for Jazzy because if it’s crazy for other people I mean, if it’s crazy for Jazzy, it’s totally crazy for other people.

Jazzy Ellis: Right. Okay. So I do love working with fire. I do fire burns. But for this stunt, I’m going to mention I had to rely a lot on my fellow stunt performers.

And so for this stunt, it was on Tyler Perry Studios for, the TV show, the haves and the have nots. I was trapped upside down in a burning car. It was a real car. It was real fire, and I was literally trapped upside down in it. And I had to rely on the stuntman to pull me out of it.

And he did, and I didn’t catch fire. Luckily, my costume for the day was flame retardant. And, also, I didn’t cut myself on glass because the glass on the window of the car was also broken. But when the stunt man put me down on the ground, before he walked away, he said, Jazz, I’m so sorry. And I whispered because the camera was still rolling.

And I whispered why. What happened? And he says, Jazz, I put you in a fire ant hill. So I missed the fire, but I got the fire ants. And that’s a little bit of, like, the crazy things that happen on set.

Mick Hunt: I can believe it. I can totally believe it. I can totally believe it. So let’s talk about the future a little bit. Right?

So you have over a decade long experience in in both stunt performing and as an intimacy coordinator. How do you see this evolving? How do you see those roles evolving in the film and television industry?

Jazzy Ellis: My goal is to be a part of a BIPOC owned production company and to be the lead intimacy coordinator on that production company. Not sure when or how that will happen, but I’m putting that into the atmosphere, and someone’s going to find me and work with me.

Mick Hunt: Okay. I like it. I like it. So let’s go back to you personally now and not to get too personal, but you have overcome things. You are one of the strongest people that that I know and that I follow.

What advice would you give to the listeners on how they can overcome their challenges that they’re going through on a daily, weekly, monthly basis?

Jazzy Ellis: It’s a shift of mindset for me, and my struggles felt more difficult when I was younger and when I felt like I didn’t deserve to go through struggles. But now I feel like if you’re not going through struggles, you’re not aiming high enough. You’re not your goals aren’t big enough. Because for me, when I make a mistake, that’s a step towards success. When I fail, that’s a step towards success.

Because that failure is a way that I know, okay. Don’t do it like that anymore. You know what not to do or one example of what not to do. Now let’s go towards what you need to do. So a a change of mindset knowing that you’re going to fail.

And if you want to succeed, try to fail more often.

Mick Hunt: Oh, that was deep. Say that one more time.

Jazzy Ellis: If you want to succeed, try to fail more often.

Mick Hunt: That might be one of the deepest quotes, and I’m gonna give you credit because I’m probably gonna post this on social at some point other than the next couple of weeks. I’m giving you credit. That might be one of the deepest comments that I’ve heard. And, and when you say that, when you think through that, what does that mean for you?

Jazzy Ellis: That means, like, I wanna have a collection of mistakes that I can help other people not make to bring us all closer to the end goal.

Mick Hunt: Right. Because so many times people try to be perfect. Right?

Jazzy Ellis: Or they try to be this Oh, gosh. That’s so boring, first of all. Right?

Mick Hunt: They they try to do these things, and it’s just like, you know, you’re not being yourself. You’re trying to either do what someone wants you to do or be what someone wants you to be. And when you do that, you never reflect on who you are or go through the challenges that we naturally should go through. Like, I don’t know any successful person, whether it’s an athlete, a comedian, a business owner. I don’t know any successful person that hasn’t gone through stuff.

And I don’t mean one thing. I mean several things. Right? Because that’s how we learn who we are. And that’s probably one of the things I admire most about you is that you continue to evolve.

You continue to figure it out, whatever the it is.

Jazzy Ellis: It’s all we can do. Just keep trying to figure it out.

Mick Hunt: There you go. I’m gonna ask you a couple of questions. 1, was there ever an actor or actress that you work with and you were like, wow, can’t believe I’m working with this person?

Jazzy Ellis: All the time. Like, almost every job, I feel that way. Probably the biggest, like, where I couldn’t breathe, I couldn’t even, like, think straight was meeting Oprah. And so, I mean, there were two times I met Oprah. The first time was on Selma, and I think it was the 3rd or 4th year of my career.

So I was just starting out, and I remember seeing her at base camp, and I said good morning. And she kind of glared at me a little bit like, oops. Was I not supposed to talk to her? And come to find out, I wasn’t, but I didn’t know because there’s a hierarchy on set. And, like, if the actors don’t talk to you first, you’re not supposed to talk to them.

But now I know. And, you know, it was right before we shot the big scene on the Edmund Pettus Bridge. And so that was a really emotionally difficult scene, and I should have left her alone. But the second time I met her, it was for my acting role in Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. And I played young Gladden, who in the movie was Oprah’s aunt.

And so when I showed up on set, she came up to me and said good morning and introduced herself to me. And I’m just like, oh my god, Oprah. I know who you are. I’m jazzy. And I was just, like, a complete spaz.

But it was really nice to work on that film and to meet her in a way where she wasn’t distracted.

Mick Hunt: Right. I’ve heard nothing but amazing, awesome, brilliant stories about Oprah, so I’m a little jealous that you’ve got to meet her. But as you should Mhmm. As you should. Thank

Jazzy Ellis: you.

Mick Hunt: As you should. What’s the role that you haven’t gotten to do yet but you wanna do?

Jazzy Ellis: I okay. And this doesn’t exist yet, but, like, I wrote a script just in case anyone wants to buy it and, you know, put me in the role. But I wrote myself as the lovechild of James Bond. I wrote myself in as this a lovechild of James Bond that he had when he was on a a mission in Jamaica. And I’m playing someone that is super smart, but doesn’t know who she is.

Like, she doesn’t know who her father is, but she just has all these crazy reflexes where these strange men are coming to kidnap her, and she knows how to fight back instinctually. So I kinda just wanna play a really cool action hero.

Mick Hunt: There you go. Alright. So everybody listening, we can either have a couple of very successful movie writers, movie directors purchase this, or we can come together as a people, and we can make this happen for Jazzy. Let’s go.

Jazzy Ellis: Let’s do it.

Mick Hunt: Alright, Jazzy. I’m gonna get you out of here on this one. What’s the message you wanna leave to the listeners into the world today? Like, what’s what’s that inspirational thing you wanna leave everybody with?

Jazzy Ellis: I’m gonna draw on that quote that you’re going to quote me on on socials and just say make as many mistakes as possible. Live your life. Make as many mistakes as possible.

Mick Hunt: I love it. Ladies and gentlemen, the great SAG award winning, Jazzy Ellis. Jazzy, thank you so much for taking some time with us today. It means the world to me to have you on the show. So if there’s anything I can ever do for you, you know, I’m here for you.

And before that, though, where can people find you?

Jazzy Ellis: Yeah. I am at jazzyellis on everything. So jazzyellis, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, all the things.

Mick Hunt: Everyone go follow Jazzy. I promise you’ll be as inspired as I am every time she posts something, I read something. She’s awesome. Gonna leave you all with this. Remember your because is your superpower.

I’m Lisa.

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