[00:00:00] Podcast Intro: Are you ready to change your habits, sculpt your destiny, and light up your path to greatness? Welcome to the epicenter of transformation. This is Mic Unplugged. We’ll help you identify your because so you can create a routine. That’s not just productive, but powerful. You’ll embrace the art of evolution, adapt strategies to stay ahead of the game and take a step toward the extraordinary.

[00:00:29] So let’s unleash your potential. Now here’s Nick. 

[00:00:34] Mick Hunt: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick unplugged. And today I’m very honored because I have a personal story. We’re honored to have a visionary and accomplished author and someone who’s a true pioneer in this digital age as the founder and CEO of Mighty Networks.

[00:00:52] She empowers creators and businesses to create a vibrant, engaged community. Her insights and innovations have set a true standard in this industry. Please join me in welcoming the incredible, the incomparable Stanford’s finest, Gina Bianchini. Gina, how are you today, dear? I’m 

[00:01:11] great. By the way, what are you doing later?

[00:01:14] I would love to like, just. Take you with me wherever I go. Like what an ego boost. 

[00:01:22] Mick Hunt: No, it’s all true though. It can be your ego boost when it’s true. So nothing that was said was, was fabricated, right? Well, thank you. 

[00:01:29] I appreciate it. 

[00:01:30] Mick Hunt: So Gina, when I’m honored, you know, that I have several businesses of mine that I run through Mighty Networks, the absolute best community that’s out there.

[00:01:40] And Mighty Networks isn’t a sponsor of the show. That wasn’t a paid advertisement. That is me talking from the heart. But here’s what I want you to know, Gina. So, you know, my podcast, we talk about your, because that thing that’s deeper than your, why, you know, the old saying, if you ask why seven times you get the true answer, right?

[00:01:57] So, so I think that’s your, because, and the whole reason that I joined and started a community on mighty networks was to talk about the power of because, and I got a spark when I read a book called purpose. And in that book, I knew that number one, that there was a message to deliver, but then number two, that there are a lot of people like me.

[00:02:18] And so I think that that’s the power of community is like minded individuals that are helping each other for a greater good. So I wanted to, before we get into anything, Just tell you thank you because you paved the way for my businesses, my message, and most importantly, a lot of what I’m doing under the Micumplug brand was pushed by everything that you told me in that book.

[00:02:41] So thank you. 

[00:02:42] Thank you for saying that. You know, so much of this path is toiling away. In isolation with the wilderness, and I just I’m super grateful for you saying that it means a lot to me. 

[00:02:56] Mick Hunt: Absolutely. I know some of this is in your book, but I’d love to deep dive it here. What’s Gina’s because right?

[00:03:03] Like, why did community become a thing for you? And and what’s your because what’s that real? Why? Behind the why of why? This became such a passion for you. 

[00:03:13] As I say in the book, I grew up in a very tight knit community, Cupertino, California in the seventies and eighties. When you think about what Silicon Valley is today, what were the seeds of it?

[00:03:25] It was middle class people. Who had interests and passions, tinkerers, engineers, people who could take things apart and put them back together, people who wanted to understand how things worked, people who wanted to meet each other on that same path, whatever that might be. You know, in my family, my dad restored old cars from the time he was 16 and he grew up in Cupertino and we moved back there and that’s where I was born after he did military service and my parents had met in college.

[00:03:58] And my grandparents lived in Cupertino and it’s today the home of Apple, but it’s not a coincidence that Apple is from this culture that was Silicon Valley in the seventies and eighties. And what I learned from that was number one, the deepest and best relationships that we can. Build in this world, come through shared interests, shared passion, shared belief systems, shared values, and that by doing things together, you can actually live a really rich and wonderful life.

[00:04:34] And so I saw the very best of community. And when I was 11, my dad was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver when he was on a national guard trip in Jackson, Mississippi. He was 38. And there were three teenagers and my mom and, or tweens at this point, you know, he went on a trip and never came home and it was my community and our community who rallied around us that made the biggest difference.

[00:05:03] It just happened that my interests. really lay in, how do people systems work? So if you take that sort of engineering culture of Silicon Valley, for me, it was always, you know, how do we go from a world that looks like X to a world that looks like Y? How do things in culture change and evolve? How do we go from being a culture where smoking is like super cool to smoking is like, Not cool at all.

[00:05:32] And all of the different things that, you know, are possible and happen. So that was what I did from an education background. And then everything just kind of came together when I went into technology and I started seeing sort of the very early days of technology, specifically internet technology and digital technology being applied to create social networks.

[00:05:54] And I knew. At that moment, and it wasn’t like just one day, but it was certainly a chapter. I knew at that moment that I had found the thing that made everything make sense. How do I take the community highs and, and the way communities really lift you up and challenge you and, and, and create. And innovate and how do they also pick you up when the most tragic or worst things can happen in our lives and then understanding technology, it just became really obvious to me in terms of the things that I had studied and the things that were now possible that I wanted to build technology.

[00:06:38] That created incredible communities where someone could show up and be instantly welcomed to feel like they were amongst the most interesting people in the world on that same path and that we could do that not, you know, for one person, not just in one sort of uniform way that that was their entire identity.

[00:06:58] That’s not how people work. We’re meant to be. Portfolios were meant to be a person that is interested in different things and is meeting different people around those interests, those passions, those goals, those professional identities, those personal values. And so that’s what I do and why I do what I do.

[00:07:19] And, you know, it’s interesting. I am sort of hesitant to say it out loud because I don’t want to diminish how important this is to me, but I think about what my father would have been Done in his life and a life that was cut short. It’s incredibly important to me that I take this one area that if we get it right, has a massive impact because I don’t feel like I’m doing it just for myself.

[00:07:45] I’m doing it because of the kind of community builder my father was in his short life and the impact that he had on people. And. If I could use the tools and technologies that are now available to us, you know, in, in 2024, to be able to scale that kind of community building those kinds of moments where more and more people don’t just achieve results and transformation that they want, but in the pursuit of that can make truly amazing friends, then I know I’ve done something right.

[00:08:20] I know I’ve done something with impact 

[00:08:23] Mick Hunt: that was so touching, Gina, that was touching. And I’ve heard, obviously, I’ve been a huge fan of yours forever, and I think that might have been the first time that I’ve heard you tell that story in that way. So thank you for 

[00:08:35] that. I don’t normally say it because it, you know, I don’t want it to sound cheesy, but it’s true.

[00:08:42] Like at the same point in time, it’s like, Well, it’s true. So I, uh, maybe, maybe it’s appropriate to own it. 

[00:08:50] Mick Hunt: Definitely. And what you said and the way you say it to me totally captures what I feel mighty networks is about. Right. And that is, it should be about your people. Yes. As an entrepreneur, you want to make money.

[00:09:05] Absolutely. Not, not selling that short, but I think what makes mighty network completely different from moment one, from the build out to when your members come in, it genuinely is about the people. And for, for those that haven’t gone on to mighty networks, number one, you need to, but, but two, when you’re building it, it’s almost like Gina is reminding you or the technology is reminding you.

[00:09:30] Keep people first, keep people first, keep people first. And that’s really hard, especially in this world where again, everybody’s trying to make money and I’m not saying that you shouldn’t, but you really make it about the people. 

[00:09:42] Thank you. That again, means a ton because that’s what our belief was. And what’s been so interesting is that the data backs us up.

[00:09:51] So it’s really unfortunate that caring about making connections between people almost feels like, you know, Soft when it’s incredibly profitable, but it almost feels like, oh, well, you couldn’t possibly want to make money doing that. And it’s like, okay, well, we’ve paid for, you know, belonging to a club or, you know, a church for a very, very long period of time to enable community to take hold.

[00:10:21] And here’s the thing that I think is so interesting. If I take a step back, you know, I want to live in a world. Where every person on the planet is a member of not one, but multiple amazing communities. Kind of like what I was saying before of like you show up and not only is the host of that community cool, but that person has brought together all of these other people that just feel great.

[00:10:45] It’s like that, like when you walk into a workshop and you’re like, Oh, I like these people. Where you go to a party and you’re like, I’m cooler than. I thought I was because I’m surrounded by people who are cool and, you know, excited to talk to me. And the thing is for us to usher in that world as fast as possible, we need a whole army of people creating these communities.

[00:11:10] If we’re going to have a lot of people joining these communities. So my, my thought is, okay, so. How do we help get more and more people creating these communities? Well, helping them make a lot of money seems like a really good place to start. And if we can build the software to really create that network effect, again, people’s eyes glaze over when I say it.

[00:11:33] So I’m like, okay, people magic. When that people magic is what the software is able to do. And so those relationships are being built. And that person who launches the community and raises their hand and says, Hey guys, I’m bringing people who are going through this transition together. And then the software can do all the heavy lifting and all the hard work of making those connections.

[00:11:54] And, you know, setting up the dynamics. So people are introduced, people are encouraged and invited to do things together. So it’s not just about consuming content. It’s about taking a course together. It’s about working in small groups. It’s about being able to dynamically organize meetups or masterminds, which again, when you think about what it means to be a host, the best hosts in the world, when you think about the people that have done things that you’re like, Oh my gosh, that’s awesome.

[00:12:22] They have two things, two things make a great party, data and natural language. That host who I have a feeling, I bet if I went to one of your parties, you would be phenomenal at this, of like, oh my gosh, this is why I brought you guys here. I want you two to meet. This is what you have in common. So if we do this right, we are going to be able to make more and more people Who raised their hand, especially in these early days, a lot of money and a lot of profit.

[00:12:51] I mean, we’re, we’re making people today, you know, 10 million. Over the course of a year with 99 percent margins. And that’s because these are communities that run themselves because when you put people at the center and you use software to introduce people to each other and surface really interesting folks, it’s not about content.

[00:13:11] It’s not about like legacy forums and all You know, chat. I love chat. Don’t get me wrong. You want to make chat work really well and have extraordinary engagement, connect the people to each other before you get them into courses or challenges or a membership or events or live streams. 

[00:13:31] Mick Hunt: Amazing. It’s 

[00:13:31] just, it’s super obvious.

[00:13:33] Like once you see it, and I think this might be where you’re at once you see it, you can’t unsee it. 

[00:13:38] Mick Hunt: Right. 

[00:13:39] It’s kind of awesome. 

[00:13:40] Mick Hunt: Right. I mean, again, and everybody that knows me. understands that when I make recommendations, it’s because I personally believe in them, right? Like, and I’m as honest and transparent as the day is long, right?

[00:13:52] Like my friends call me the inconvenient truth, because when you want the right answer, like just go to Mick because he’s going to tell you if he likes it or not, if he likes it, he’ll tell you that for sure. And again, everything about mighty networks feels right. It feels right. And I vetted, I’m not going to say hundreds, but I vetted twenties of communities out there a couple of years ago in mighty networks felt like home then, and it gets better.

[00:14:18] It feels like every other day, there’s something new or, or dynamic that’s happening. And that leads to my next question. Every entrepreneur has challenges, right? And you’ve been an entrepreneur for a long time, many businesses, A ton of great success. And I always tell people, and I think I heard you say this too.

[00:14:38] Everyone wants the end result of entrepreneurship, but they don’t really want that whole journey and it’s not made for everyone. I mean, there’s a lot of sacrifices that you make as an entrepreneur when you run the course that, Most people just can’t do what challenges have you gone through, whether it’s mighty networks or a previous one that you had to overcome and how’d you do it?

[00:14:57] Yeah. So I’ll say that the big one, which is we are building something different at mighty networks. We’re building something different. We are building the ability for any creator, any individual, any brand to take and make their own the most valuable asset that Silicon Valley has ever built. And that is a network effect.

[00:15:20] That is this ability to come together, connect people to each other, such that. And this is the official definition of a network effect, such that the value of the network increases to every member with each new person who joins and contributes. So that basically means, and it doesn’t mean that you can’t have a lot of value when something is smaller, but what it means is when you bring people together who are going through a transition together, which is by the way, the easiest way to get started and the easiest way to grow anything.

[00:15:48] That with every person who shows up and has their talents, their stories, their experiences, their ideas, that network just got more valuable. And that’s how we’ve built LinkedIn and Facebook and Twitter and Instagram with Mighty Networks, you now have that ability to have your own branded version of that.

[00:16:09] And that’s why. A Mighty Network feels different than classic community platforms or course platforms. We are doing something different. And so when you’re doing anything different, guess what? You spend a lot of time in the wilderness. There’s a lot of, like the number of ways that people have said to me, Oh, Oh, that’s nice.

[00:16:34] Oh, okay. Well, maybe you could give me an example, which is always code for, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Uh, and so I would say, I just remember this one moment where a friend of mine, this was like in the early days of Mighty when it, you know, it was like, I put it on my back with my co founders and we’re like, we’re just gonna drive this forward.

[00:16:57] And one of my friends was like, what do you need? And I looked at her and I was just like, I just need somebody to tell me I’m not crazy. I need somebody to just believe me today. And the power that you have. When you can say to somebody, I see you, I see how hard this is, but I also see how important it is.

[00:17:18] That is something that is truly a gift that you can give any entrepreneur. And then there’s just, you know, there’s all the things when you’re successful. A whole new set of challenges show up. And so every day is, you know, I think about it. It’s like the reality of startup life and the reality of life, if we’re going to broaden it out is it’s two steps forward, 1.

[00:17:44] 75 steps back. And anybody who’s telling you anything different than that, and they’re, you know, on the internet being like, Oh my God, like I just, you know, the humble brag of like, Oh my gosh, I just like, can’t believe this is so amazing or whatever that is. They’re also dealing with some other thing they’re not talking about.

[00:18:02] Mick Hunt: Absolutely. And that’s important 

[00:18:04] to remember. Yeah. 

[00:18:05] Mick Hunt: Oh, for sure. I tell people, anytime you hear someone say, if you do these three things. You’ll make whatever run the other way because what they’re not telling you are the 99 other things that didn’t work. 

[00:18:17] You know what? I, but here’s the thing. I’m going to challenge that because here is the thing I’ve actually learned is there are ways to work smarter, not harder.

[00:18:27] Mick Hunt: Correct. 

[00:18:27] And so much about, especially the creator economy is about grinding it out and working really hard. Like just write more. Write more, post more, make more. And I would say this, this opportunity to create your own network effect, this ability to bring people together and introduce through software, the most interesting people who can be the most valuable to each other.

[00:18:50] That truly is a cheat code. 

[00:18:52] Mick Hunt: Yes. And I believe that there are cheat codes. Okay. I agree with that. 

[00:18:56] Yes. Awesome. That’s my, that would be my only edit. 

[00:18:59] Mick Hunt: No, no, no, no, no. Because you know, my mentor, Les Brown tells me all the time, right? Like experience isn’t the best teacher. It’s wisdom because you could experience failure and then you’re just a failure, right?

[00:19:11] Right wisdom are those shortcuts, right? 

[00:19:14] Well, and you know and kind of along those same lines I think about this a lot and I’m curious what your reaction is to it When I hear people say, and I, this is the thing I’m very careful of, I never say, but I’ve just been working so hard because hard work has nothing to do with it.

[00:19:31] Like I was thinking about this this morning, hard work is table stakes. That’s how you even just get into the realm of possibility and success. It is absolutely critical to work smart and then hard. 

[00:19:45] Mick Hunt: I’m with you a thousand percent of the way. Yeah. 

[00:19:47] You weren’t saying anything different. I just, I was reflecting on that this morning.

[00:19:49] I was like, Oh, that would be a point to bring up. 

[00:19:51] Mick Hunt: Yeah. You know, like in sports, you hear hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t show up, but they never do the other side of that equation. What happens when talent does show up? 

[00:20:00] And I think we’ve been watching, like we are recording this in the midst of week two of the Olympics.

[00:20:07] And I think we can all agree. We have seen some moments where it is talent and hard work, 

[00:20:12] Mick Hunt: right? Wholeheartedly. Oh, wow. All right. So it’s not every day I get the CEO of mighty network. So I’m going to come plugged, right? We can make that. I mean, we 

[00:20:19] could make it, we could start to make this a regular thing if we wanted to, but yes.

[00:20:23] Okay. Today, 

[00:20:24] Mick Hunt: mighty networks question. 

[00:20:25] Yes. 

[00:20:26] Mick Hunt: Where do you see hosts do that are like the biggest mistakes? Like if you could, for the people that are listening, and I have several that are Mighty Network hosts, what are things that they should not be doing in their network? Because I have one big pet peeve and I want to see if you agree.

[00:20:41] Okay. After 

[00:20:42] Mick Hunt: you go. 

[00:20:42] Yeah. Cause I want to hear yours. I’m going to give two. Number one, the complexity trap. It is the, if I don’t have all of these pieces, I won’t be providing enough value for people. And then, you know, if you go down those seven layers, why it’s, if I don’t have all this complexity, people won’t want to be a part of this.

[00:21:04] And the reality is. Is that by introducing all of the complexity or it’s friend or cousin is, and when I don’t know how to provide value through relationships with people and making those connections, I’m just going to throw more content at it. And in social media, we’ve been taught content, content, more content, more content.

[00:21:23] And in a community content, actually, most people see it as work. They see it as work. So what’s, what’s yours? 

[00:21:29] Mick Hunt: Literally what you just said. So I’m not going to mention my friend’s name on camera, but Yeah, 

[00:21:36] he, he’s listening to this and knows 

[00:21:38] Mick Hunt: good news 

[00:21:39] is I don’t know who your friend is. So, well, you know, I think that’s important.

[00:21:42] Mick Hunt: So the complexity less is more. I tell people this when they’re doing community. Think about what people are going to want and why they really want to be in your community and give them that you could have a whole lot of things that you want to give. But you need to give people what they want and what they’re craving versus there’s a thousand things that we can do.

[00:22:04] And my left hand navigation bar is so long and complex that if people don’t know where to start or how to start your engagement shrinks. And so my biggest pet peeve is when I go into a community and the left hand bar for a non admin is insane. It’s like, you’re never going to have engagement because you have too many.

[00:22:22] I’m going to use mighty network terms, too many collections and spaces. Give people what they want, because you can always add, it’s hard to take away. It’s hard. 

[00:22:31] Well, and sometimes you just have to like blow it up and start over again, but that’s exactly right. Like, just because you can build it doesn’t mean you should build it.

[00:22:40] And there’s this really interesting, you know, it’s something that we sometimes hear like a knock on mighty of like, Oh, it’s really complex. It’s like, well, no, actually it’s not. But. If you’re building something, what we found is if you had too many bumpers, too many, like, Oh, you can’t do that. That’s frustrating as well.

[00:23:01] So what we really try to do, and, and it is a thorny issue. What we try to do is basically say it’s progressive discovery is what it’s called. So like, let’s keep things super, super simple and then let people progressively discover them. And. I think that’s right. The complexity is unnecessary. So you’ve now created all this work for yourself and it’s working against you.

[00:23:26] Mick Hunt: One piece of advice that you want the world to hear right now. 

[00:23:29] Just start. No excuses, no justifications, no waiting for the next thing. Just start. 

[00:23:35] Mick Hunt: Amazing. Gina, I adore you. 

[00:23:37] The feeling is mutual. Thank you of my favorite people in 

[00:23:40] Mick Hunt: the world. Thank you so much for taking time with us today. And thanks for being a little personal.

[00:23:45] I like that. 

[00:23:45] My pleasure. 

[00:23:46] Mick Hunt: Thank you. And for the listeners and viewers, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it. 

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